I only wore my retainers for two nights, and even in those two nights, I could feel how unnatural their position was. Not to mention my bite was not at all comfortable, and the orthodontist didn't even bother to check it with the blue articulating paper.
She just looked at the "finished result" and said, "They look beautiful, we're done". Not even trying to perfect a single rest position that Ken writes about in this article, let alone multiple. What a joke orthodontics is.
I ditched my retainers, and I've been wearing Reviv for a bit more than two months now. My lower arch has expanded 2-3mm, as well as 1mm in the upper arch. My teeth have not gone crooked at all, and may have started moving in an even more aesthetic direction than before. I have noticed they uprighted considerably and may have also erupted even more.
Very true! I have had all the things mentioned. the retainers, braces, cemented wire ( which my body cleverly dislodged and broke off) the Invisalign and I tried the rectifier. I'm so happy to have found Reviv! I started with the 1 and now have a 2.
I have noticed that my jaw shift to the right is improving and its taking my spine with it. Scoliosis has been linked to jaw shifts and the curve apex tends to be on the side the jaw sifts towards. I see my lower teeth straightening out considerably. The right cuspid is now standing up and my lower front crowding has improved along with the top left teeth that were falling back because of lack of contact with the cuspid when it was laying over. I notice that as my jaw resets with Reviv I can sure feel it in those front right quadrants and those nerves seem to have a direct connection to my head, neck, chest, sternum and spine in the thoracic area. Sometimes its not nice but it is moving a lot of structures and fascia that have been in collapse for a long time.
I have been adding my own experiments with block therapy, breathing into the collapsed areas and Japanese floor sleeping. So far it is all going very well. It is clear that the Reviv is the master key tool!
You piqued my interest talking about the thoracic spine. I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and it’s really common for patients to have a flattening of the thoracic spine and I have since learned doing lymphatic massage that the left side lymphatic system empties into the thoracic duct. I have wondered if that’s the cause of some of the symptoms and correcting the spine could help overall. I had a lot of orthodontic work as a teen and 2 years later I was sick so I’m reeeeaaaalllly curious now about how it all could be connected and how much my health is linked to my mouth/skeletal structure.
Hey I actually have the Reviv 2 and been wearing it for a week now! Yet to post but I will! I can definitely feel my jaw repositioning even with only a few hours a day. I’m building up! It’s definitely getting more comfortable to wear but I’m not sleeping well yet and obviously with CFS sleep is important. Wearing as often as I can during the day to build up tolerance 😊
You may wish to look into modern NBA players. You've done some posts on Jordan and Bird, but modern nba players may be even more relevant examples as information is more readily available.
Modern NBA players have 1) easy access to dental work, 2) are involved in a very athletic field that has a disproportionately visible and noticeable effect 3) publicly visible
I was doing research on Derrick Rose as the Golden Boy who fell from grace due to injuries. In his short-lived prime, his athleticism was comparable to prime Lebron James, but very quickly fell off due to injuries.
It seemed like he got dental work very, very early on. I looked at stock photos and before he was drafted in 2007, there was a visible gap in his front tooth and some crookedness. But after he got drafted, the gap had filled and his teeth definitely looked like it had seen dental work. It does seem like later on, his teeth also looked whiter and brighter, so likely there was continual work done.
According to Rose's wiki, he had no notable injuries until he got drafted, which was when he started picking injuries, notably to his right ankle. After 3 relatively injury-free seasons, the 2011-2022 saw Rose missing a notable amount of games in the shortened NBA season. Then, disaster struck in the first playoff round when he suffered a more or less non-contact injury in the first playoff round, tearing the ACL on his left knee. After this, he never recovered his athleticism, and had to adjust his playstyle to suit his impaired physical condition.
Its obvious from google that Rose is a fan of dental work, in contrast to Curry and Westbrook who have chosen to leave the gap in their front tooth where it is. And combined with his uniquely fearlessly physical and explosive playstyle, perhaps that was the cause of his injury demise.
If you look at the video of his injury, Rose's teeth are eerily white, bright and even. As for the injury itself, physical contact was minimal and it just seemed like Rose's body simply could no longer handle the forces he was putting onto it. Which is very strange as Rose's athleticism was very much enabled by his previously excellent biomechanics, where his incredible balance and agility allowed him to make razor-sharp cuts and movements that his elite athletic peers could not keep up with.
It does seem like Rose's uniquely explosive style of play coincided with aggressive dental work immediately after he entered the NBA. Initially, Rose had incredible bio-mechanics that enabled his uniquely explosive style of play. But once he got drafted, he immediately got dental work done and his structure began to degrade. At first, the damage was minimal as his biomechanics were ultra-elite and he had no notable injury history (at least from his wiki) so his physical body was in pristine condition. But once he started picking up injuries, his body gradually began to start compensating. Since his playstyle was so aggressively explosive, any slight degradation in ability would require his body to make bigger compensations. And unlike bigger, taller, or more skilled players, Rose's 'edge' was in his athleticism, so he must have felt pressured and compelled to keep maintaining it regardless of how he, or his body, really felt. Once he got the series of muscle injuries within a short period of time, it already signaled that his body was aggressively compensating. Once he got his first 'major' injury, there would be no way to recover as his body structure would have collapsed far beyond its previous pristine condition.
To Rose's credit, he did manage to keep playing in the NBA by adjusting his playstyle to compensate for his damaged body, but would never come close to his original biomechanics
Imo, over the years, Rose seemed to develop a hitch in his gait that is typical of body asymmetry and imbalance. As this imbalance developed over such a short period of time, he never learned to compensate for it, and instead, tried to 'force' his body to perform the way he was used to it performing. Whilst he seemed very light, agile, and in control in his movements earlier on, his gait gradually developed a hitch that caused him to move a little heavier and jerkier as time went on.
Imo, in his first major injury, you can already see the hitch in his gait as he dribbles. It seems to me like Rose wanted to cut sharply to his right, but his body wasn't able to generate the force he thought it would. Thus, his gather-step was shorter than he anticipated, and he couldn't plant his left foot in a stable position as his center of gravity was behind his landing spot.
His second injury, slightly more than a month after his 'return', looks even worse.
Again, a non-contact injury, but unlike his first major injury, Rose was not even moving in a particularly explosive or demanding manner. His body and knees simply didn't have the strength and stability to execute a simple change in direction and buckled under the pressure.
i am so grateful i never had braces. definitely wanted them. giant gap in my front teeth. laughed at by peers and family. but the gap closed and my teeth straightened out and i don't have the issues i see you writing about. still have tonsils too. and wisdom teeth. man,do they ever try to rob you.
same exact thing happened to me... already born with flax maxilla messed up palate and deviated septum so orthos "corrected" my teeth making me more recessed.. skull completely collapsing during teen years so now i have barely any hope.. week 1 reviv and my teeth looking more misaligned could be the wrong size don't know.. screw orthos
Thank u! I sent a request already and bought two sizes of r1 just in case one or the other doesn’t fit. Should all mollars be covered by revive? I’ve been trying to find an article on that
There's a trade-off here between a) fixing the appearance of one's teeth and b) the speculative benefits of not moving your teeth where your body doesn't seem to want them. I'm interested in your thoughts on this.
What should a person do if their teeth position is hideously ugly? Is it far more damaging to have your teenager fix their teeth aesthetics, or to have them look ugly during their young adult years when trying to find a mate? This should not be such an easy thing to dismiss. Are there alternatives?
re: In my view once u understand these biomechanics there is no tradeoff. As u can save your cake and eat it too.
What should a person do if their teeth position is hideously ugly?
>> Wear a simple mouthguard (like a reviv, myobrace, etc) consistently
re: Is it far more damaging to have your teenager fix their teeth aesthetics, or to have them look ugly during their young adult years when trying to find a mate?
>> Far more damaging to have them fix their teeth aesthetics because while their teeth will look better their body/face/neurology will start to get far worse in time
re: This should not be such an easy thing to dismiss. Are there alternatives?
>> just wear a mouthguard and everything fixes in time
Thanks for the reply. I find this idea intriguing. I would agree that once we can understand these biomechanics, there would be no need to consider this trade-off. I think you have a good chance of being right about all this. It's just that we don't really understand the biomechanics, unless I'm missing something.
You've mentioned before that you don't understand the science behind this, or what exactly is happening as you've worked through this in trial and error with yourself. Despite what you seem to have heroically worked out for yourself so far, this isn't near enough to recommend to children that they should just "wear a mouthguard" and maybe their teeth will just work out. Maybe we'll get there but this needs funding first.
Note that Reviv appliance sizes only start from about age 9 (our R1 small) and we dont do appliances for younger kids.
But in terms of the question.. does this work? I'd argue we're already putting that question beyond a doubt. We've already sold over 20k appliances and get a lot of feedback.
Also, i would check out our community as there are thousands of posts of people documenting their journey.
We give 1 month free trial of our community. To join just make a request here
I had a similar problem. I reported the situation to one of the dental clinics in Türkiye. They offered me treatment and stated that the treatment amount would be between 2000€-5000€.
I only wore my retainers for two nights, and even in those two nights, I could feel how unnatural their position was. Not to mention my bite was not at all comfortable, and the orthodontist didn't even bother to check it with the blue articulating paper.
She just looked at the "finished result" and said, "They look beautiful, we're done". Not even trying to perfect a single rest position that Ken writes about in this article, let alone multiple. What a joke orthodontics is.
I ditched my retainers, and I've been wearing Reviv for a bit more than two months now. My lower arch has expanded 2-3mm, as well as 1mm in the upper arch. My teeth have not gone crooked at all, and may have started moving in an even more aesthetic direction than before. I have noticed they uprighted considerably and may have also erupted even more.
Awesome work Andrej!
Very true! I have had all the things mentioned. the retainers, braces, cemented wire ( which my body cleverly dislodged and broke off) the Invisalign and I tried the rectifier. I'm so happy to have found Reviv! I started with the 1 and now have a 2.
I have noticed that my jaw shift to the right is improving and its taking my spine with it. Scoliosis has been linked to jaw shifts and the curve apex tends to be on the side the jaw sifts towards. I see my lower teeth straightening out considerably. The right cuspid is now standing up and my lower front crowding has improved along with the top left teeth that were falling back because of lack of contact with the cuspid when it was laying over. I notice that as my jaw resets with Reviv I can sure feel it in those front right quadrants and those nerves seem to have a direct connection to my head, neck, chest, sternum and spine in the thoracic area. Sometimes its not nice but it is moving a lot of structures and fascia that have been in collapse for a long time.
I have been adding my own experiments with block therapy, breathing into the collapsed areas and Japanese floor sleeping. So far it is all going very well. It is clear that the Reviv is the master key tool!
Awesome!! Thank u for sharing that!
And just keep going!
We go from victim to eventually blowing everyone out!
You piqued my interest talking about the thoracic spine. I have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and it’s really common for patients to have a flattening of the thoracic spine and I have since learned doing lymphatic massage that the left side lymphatic system empties into the thoracic duct. I have wondered if that’s the cause of some of the symptoms and correcting the spine could help overall. I had a lot of orthodontic work as a teen and 2 years later I was sick so I’m reeeeaaaalllly curious now about how it all could be connected and how much my health is linked to my mouth/skeletal structure.
lets just say i would be extremely surprised if this process didnt help you a lot.
Check out our community. To join just make a request here https://www.skool.com/reviv-2885/about
Hey I actually have the Reviv 2 and been wearing it for a week now! Yet to post but I will! I can definitely feel my jaw repositioning even with only a few hours a day. I’m building up! It’s definitely getting more comfortable to wear but I’m not sleeping well yet and obviously with CFS sleep is important. Wearing as often as I can during the day to build up tolerance 😊
use something like plackers at night if u cant sleep with the reviv yet. much easier to wear but will still stretch a bit https://www.amazon.com/Plackers-Grind-Dental-Night-Grinding/dp/B07PM8FXMX?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1
Yes thank you! I’ve ordered some 🙂
You may wish to look into modern NBA players. You've done some posts on Jordan and Bird, but modern nba players may be even more relevant examples as information is more readily available.
Modern NBA players have 1) easy access to dental work, 2) are involved in a very athletic field that has a disproportionately visible and noticeable effect 3) publicly visible
I was doing research on Derrick Rose as the Golden Boy who fell from grace due to injuries. In his short-lived prime, his athleticism was comparable to prime Lebron James, but very quickly fell off due to injuries.
It seemed like he got dental work very, very early on. I looked at stock photos and before he was drafted in 2007, there was a visible gap in his front tooth and some crookedness. But after he got drafted, the gap had filled and his teeth definitely looked like it had seen dental work. It does seem like later on, his teeth also looked whiter and brighter, so likely there was continual work done.
According to Rose's wiki, he had no notable injuries until he got drafted, which was when he started picking injuries, notably to his right ankle. After 3 relatively injury-free seasons, the 2011-2022 saw Rose missing a notable amount of games in the shortened NBA season. Then, disaster struck in the first playoff round when he suffered a more or less non-contact injury in the first playoff round, tearing the ACL on his left knee. After this, he never recovered his athleticism, and had to adjust his playstyle to suit his impaired physical condition.
Its obvious from google that Rose is a fan of dental work, in contrast to Curry and Westbrook who have chosen to leave the gap in their front tooth where it is. And combined with his uniquely fearlessly physical and explosive playstyle, perhaps that was the cause of his injury demise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo1UlzDeY-o
If you look at the video of his injury, Rose's teeth are eerily white, bright and even. As for the injury itself, physical contact was minimal and it just seemed like Rose's body simply could no longer handle the forces he was putting onto it. Which is very strange as Rose's athleticism was very much enabled by his previously excellent biomechanics, where his incredible balance and agility allowed him to make razor-sharp cuts and movements that his elite athletic peers could not keep up with.
It does seem like Rose's uniquely explosive style of play coincided with aggressive dental work immediately after he entered the NBA. Initially, Rose had incredible bio-mechanics that enabled his uniquely explosive style of play. But once he got drafted, he immediately got dental work done and his structure began to degrade. At first, the damage was minimal as his biomechanics were ultra-elite and he had no notable injury history (at least from his wiki) so his physical body was in pristine condition. But once he started picking up injuries, his body gradually began to start compensating. Since his playstyle was so aggressively explosive, any slight degradation in ability would require his body to make bigger compensations. And unlike bigger, taller, or more skilled players, Rose's 'edge' was in his athleticism, so he must have felt pressured and compelled to keep maintaining it regardless of how he, or his body, really felt. Once he got the series of muscle injuries within a short period of time, it already signaled that his body was aggressively compensating. Once he got his first 'major' injury, there would be no way to recover as his body structure would have collapsed far beyond its previous pristine condition.
To Rose's credit, he did manage to keep playing in the NBA by adjusting his playstyle to compensate for his damaged body, but would never come close to his original biomechanics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcb8d1j_HQU
Imo, over the years, Rose seemed to develop a hitch in his gait that is typical of body asymmetry and imbalance. As this imbalance developed over such a short period of time, he never learned to compensate for it, and instead, tried to 'force' his body to perform the way he was used to it performing. Whilst he seemed very light, agile, and in control in his movements earlier on, his gait gradually developed a hitch that caused him to move a little heavier and jerkier as time went on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo1UlzDeY-o
Imo, in his first major injury, you can already see the hitch in his gait as he dribbles. It seems to me like Rose wanted to cut sharply to his right, but his body wasn't able to generate the force he thought it would. Thus, his gather-step was shorter than he anticipated, and he couldn't plant his left foot in a stable position as his center of gravity was behind his landing spot.
His second injury, slightly more than a month after his 'return', looks even worse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QluP1P5Ta4
Again, a non-contact injury, but unlike his first major injury, Rose was not even moving in a particularly explosive or demanding manner. His body and knees simply didn't have the strength and stability to execute a simple change in direction and buckled under the pressure.
terrific analysis!!!
I know of Rose but never looked into him.... but what you wrote sounds spot on!
i am so grateful i never had braces. definitely wanted them. giant gap in my front teeth. laughed at by peers and family. but the gap closed and my teeth straightened out and i don't have the issues i see you writing about. still have tonsils too. and wisdom teeth. man,do they ever try to rob you.
same exact thing happened to me... already born with flax maxilla messed up palate and deviated septum so orthos "corrected" my teeth making me more recessed.. skull completely collapsing during teen years so now i have barely any hope.. week 1 reviv and my teeth looking more misaligned could be the wrong size don't know.. screw orthos
just be patient.. things should align over time. Its unlikely a sizing issue
And make sure u join skool.. keep me updated there.
We give 1 month free trial of our community
To join just make a request here
https://www.skool.com/reviv-2885/about
made a request, thanks
Sharing this to my mom and two best friends.
Very informative article.
I have a permanent lingual retainer. Can I use revive? Or should I remove my retainer first?
you can start wtih it on but it will mitigate results to some extent.
So eventually you should take it off.
I recommend starting the process first and joining skool to get used to how the process works first though.
Thank u! I sent a request already and bought two sizes of r1 just in case one or the other doesn’t fit. Should all mollars be covered by revive? I’ve been trying to find an article on that
If I understand correctly, you are saying that some people are better off with the crooked teeth they had?
no because a simple mouthguard corrects the teeth position and widens the arches over time
so im saying wear a mouthguard instead of a retainer
So, if I use reviv, will it create spaces in the teeth that were shaved a bit to fit into position?
if the teeth were shaved a bit then as time goes on, i would not be surprised if some spaces were created.
Sad. I had hoped to try your product.
There's a trade-off here between a) fixing the appearance of one's teeth and b) the speculative benefits of not moving your teeth where your body doesn't seem to want them. I'm interested in your thoughts on this.
What should a person do if their teeth position is hideously ugly? Is it far more damaging to have your teenager fix their teeth aesthetics, or to have them look ugly during their young adult years when trying to find a mate? This should not be such an easy thing to dismiss. Are there alternatives?
re: In my view once u understand these biomechanics there is no tradeoff. As u can save your cake and eat it too.
What should a person do if their teeth position is hideously ugly?
>> Wear a simple mouthguard (like a reviv, myobrace, etc) consistently
re: Is it far more damaging to have your teenager fix their teeth aesthetics, or to have them look ugly during their young adult years when trying to find a mate?
>> Far more damaging to have them fix their teeth aesthetics because while their teeth will look better their body/face/neurology will start to get far worse in time
re: This should not be such an easy thing to dismiss. Are there alternatives?
>> just wear a mouthguard and everything fixes in time
Thanks for the reply. I find this idea intriguing. I would agree that once we can understand these biomechanics, there would be no need to consider this trade-off. I think you have a good chance of being right about all this. It's just that we don't really understand the biomechanics, unless I'm missing something.
You've mentioned before that you don't understand the science behind this, or what exactly is happening as you've worked through this in trial and error with yourself. Despite what you seem to have heroically worked out for yourself so far, this isn't near enough to recommend to children that they should just "wear a mouthguard" and maybe their teeth will just work out. Maybe we'll get there but this needs funding first.
I think i understand most of the core principles to how it works..and that is all you need in my view.
1- Curve of spee https://reviv.substack.com/p/the-curve-of-spee
2- Jaw needs several jaw positions supported https://reviv.substack.com/p/indexed-splints-and-the-magical-perfect
Note that Reviv appliance sizes only start from about age 9 (our R1 small) and we dont do appliances for younger kids.
But in terms of the question.. does this work? I'd argue we're already putting that question beyond a doubt. We've already sold over 20k appliances and get a lot of feedback.
Also, i would check out our community as there are thousands of posts of people documenting their journey.
We give 1 month free trial of our community. To join just make a request here
https://www.skool.com/reviv-2885/about
I had a similar problem. I reported the situation to one of the dental clinics in Türkiye. They offered me treatment and stated that the treatment amount would be between 2000€-5000€.
This Clinic Center Dental Clinic- https://centerdentalclinic.com/
So what are all the solutions to 100% reverse the damage caused by braces and retainers?
mouthguard and these biomechanics i talk about in this substack