My daughters did expanders to open their pallet. Both of them no longer mouth breath, have dark circles or morning congestion and headaches. They finishes up with aligners to correct any misalignment but keeping the wider pallet. My youngest also mouth breathed and has dark circles so she is expanding while also wearing a toothpillow at night with it. I haven't seen any negative health affects. One of my daughters had a very narrow pallet and a Sever tounge tie with myo functional exercises she has improved her tounge function and her facial structure is so much better now. Less health issues.
An aligner forces the teeth to a specific position. Without stretching soft tissue.
A mouthguard sits between the jaw & skull like a doorstop that prevents the jaw from closing. And stretches the soft tissue which ends up allowing cranial bones and the jaw to move to a healthier position over time. Teeth just go for the 'ride' and align better over time.
My mother has been told that several of her teeth are cracked and have to be removed. This is a result of austerity here in the UK, our regular dental check-ups being cancelled so that every penny can be redirected to woke initiatives. Neither of us have had a check-up in three years. Normally we would have one every six months. What do you think she should do?
She has a small mouth and a very sensitive gag reflex. I really don't think it would be possible for her to sleep with one of those things in her mouth.
I have to say, people have been pulling their teeth out for thousands of years, so it seems unlikely that removing your teeth causes dementia. Rotten teeth have to be removed, there's no way around it.
its also important to analyze the situation a bit further...
Human skulls have gotten a LOT worse the last 100 yrs. It is the first time in history now when more Americans probably have no profile (or a very damaged one) than a healthy one.
100 yrs ago the situation was completely different. Most people had health y profiles (= healthy cervical spine).
And so when hundreds of years back they took out teeth.. there was probably damage but the skull also probably had a better starting state.
These days the skull is already starting out pretty damaged for most americans from the time they are a kid... and then it gets worse with ortho etc.
So pulling some teeth out can more easily become the last straw before more severe cognitive and neurological issues
Hi Autisticus (luv yer label!), You are correct though your argument suddenly threw dementia in? Yes, rotten teeth have to be pulled, but unfortunately that can cause other problems. Best to prevent the teeth going rotten in the first place. Good dental hygiene is great but often not enough; same with good nutrition. I was losing my teeth at a frightening rate until I started using the Reviv, which took less than a week to get used to. My teeth are whiter, straighter and I haven't been to the dentist for almost a year - a world record. The Reviv is just around the teeth, like dentures, so there is no likelihood of a gag reflex.
I’m not exactly sure how it happened but I noticed back in 2017 my lower jaw was very slack and recessed. My health declined massively around this time! Insomnia, anxiety, pain, air hungry. I aged massively. I lost most of my friends. My life took a hell of a turn. I’m through the other side with a lot of hard work! I’m very intrigued by this connection. Very intrigued. It’s been wild. I’ve been wearing an R1 for a few weeks now. My sleep is heavenly. Looking forward to continuing this journey!!
How do you fix a bite? I had braces in my teens. I stopped wearing my retainer years ago. I had a tooth fall down slanted. I'm using a guard but I don't think it will fix that tooth and I don't want to get aligners just for a tooth correction. Any suggestions?
Hi I bought 3 of the first generation Reviv’s they just arrived 3 weeks ago. My son is finishing up w his aligners has about 3-4 months to go? Should I pull him out if them and put him in the Reviv?
The problem with stories like your last one is correlation does not equal causation, especially with a single case. What else happened since 2019? Gee, we had a global pandemic that changed the health of millions of people for the worse, an economic collapse that ruined many business and destroyed people' net worth, a giant experiment in killing social connections, and the most divisive political climate in our lifetimes. Anything could have caused this guy to have these issues. And because soooo many people have dental work, you would need to track an extremely large sample size in order to show causation.
He might have mentioned only one case in this article, but he’s mentioned many other cases including his own in other articles, which are legit worth your time to read!
Not yet. I'm not sure how it would work because I have a partial denture on 4 of my upper front teeth. I can't really afford to have the surrounding teeth move because I'd have to keep re-making the denture. Plus my lower teeth get crooked without a retainer. And since I had a lot of teeth removed from my mouth and had jaw surgery including some metal plates still being there, I'm not sure even if this theory works if it could do what it's supposed to with me. He wasn't sure either.
re: Plus my lower teeth get crooked without a retainer.
>> my interpretation of that would be that your skull is trying to move the teeth back to get stability and your retainer is preventing it. And essentially inviting further collapse.
The question to ask yourself is.. "Why do the teeth want to move back to being crooked? Is it that the body is stupid? Or is it that the orthodontist is stupid?" I am pretty sure is the latter.
I get that, but the reason I went through invisilign on the bottom 5 years ago is because my bottom teeth were getting so crowded that some were practically in front of others. And that was after years without wearing any type of retainer So I fear that the metal plates in my bottom jaw might be preventing normal movement. Those plates are the last thing I have that I could remove, but it would be a major surgery by an MD and I was told would cost at least $20k..
My daughters did expanders to open their pallet. Both of them no longer mouth breath, have dark circles or morning congestion and headaches. They finishes up with aligners to correct any misalignment but keeping the wider pallet. My youngest also mouth breathed and has dark circles so she is expanding while also wearing a toothpillow at night with it. I haven't seen any negative health affects. One of my daughters had a very narrow pallet and a Sever tounge tie with myo functional exercises she has improved her tounge function and her facial structure is so much better now. Less health issues.
2 out of 3 had a toothpillpw aka guard as well.
yes i think toothpillow will have been key to preventing damage from an expander.
As it will stretch the soft tissue whereas the expander just aggressively tries to move things around without stretching the soft tissue.
Note that if theyre using the toothpillow... i dont think they need the aligners at all. THe toothpillow will align the teeth just fine.
I'm new to this topic so excuse my ignorance but what are the differences between how aligners and mouthguards work?
An aligner forces the teeth to a specific position. Without stretching soft tissue.
A mouthguard sits between the jaw & skull like a doorstop that prevents the jaw from closing. And stretches the soft tissue which ends up allowing cranial bones and the jaw to move to a healthier position over time. Teeth just go for the 'ride' and align better over time.
My mother has been told that several of her teeth are cracked and have to be removed. This is a result of austerity here in the UK, our regular dental check-ups being cancelled so that every penny can be redirected to woke initiatives. Neither of us have had a check-up in three years. Normally we would have one every six months. What do you think she should do?
she should wear a mouthguard regularly
And potentially get flat composite put on the last lower tooth of either side
She has a small mouth and a very sensitive gag reflex. I really don't think it would be possible for her to sleep with one of those things in her mouth.
maybe try plackers https://www.amazon.com/Plackers-Grind-Dental-Night-Grinding/dp/B07PM8FXMX?ref_=ast_sto_dp&th=1
not as fast but easier to wear
I have to say, people have been pulling their teeth out for thousands of years, so it seems unlikely that removing your teeth causes dementia. Rotten teeth have to be removed, there's no way around it.
its also important to analyze the situation a bit further...
Human skulls have gotten a LOT worse the last 100 yrs. It is the first time in history now when more Americans probably have no profile (or a very damaged one) than a healthy one.
100 yrs ago the situation was completely different. Most people had health y profiles (= healthy cervical spine).
And so when hundreds of years back they took out teeth.. there was probably damage but the skull also probably had a better starting state.
These days the skull is already starting out pretty damaged for most americans from the time they are a kid... and then it gets worse with ortho etc.
So pulling some teeth out can more easily become the last straw before more severe cognitive and neurological issues
Hi Autisticus (luv yer label!), You are correct though your argument suddenly threw dementia in? Yes, rotten teeth have to be pulled, but unfortunately that can cause other problems. Best to prevent the teeth going rotten in the first place. Good dental hygiene is great but often not enough; same with good nutrition. I was losing my teeth at a frightening rate until I started using the Reviv, which took less than a week to get used to. My teeth are whiter, straighter and I haven't been to the dentist for almost a year - a world record. The Reviv is just around the teeth, like dentures, so there is no likelihood of a gag reflex.
I’m not exactly sure how it happened but I noticed back in 2017 my lower jaw was very slack and recessed. My health declined massively around this time! Insomnia, anxiety, pain, air hungry. I aged massively. I lost most of my friends. My life took a hell of a turn. I’m through the other side with a lot of hard work! I’m very intrigued by this connection. Very intrigued. It’s been wild. I’ve been wearing an R1 for a few weeks now. My sleep is heavenly. Looking forward to continuing this journey!!
How do you fix a bite? I had braces in my teens. I stopped wearing my retainer years ago. I had a tooth fall down slanted. I'm using a guard but I don't think it will fix that tooth and I don't want to get aligners just for a tooth correction. Any suggestions?
I would just continue to use the mouthguard and also work on getting good at the stretches to accelerate the process (eg. my 'fast method' in skool).
And don't be in a rush to 'fix' the tooth.
Artificial movement of the tooth will likely lead to further root resorption.
Whereas correct biomechanical forces will likely lead to stronger, healthier roots in my view.
Hi I bought 3 of the first generation Reviv’s they just arrived 3 weeks ago. My son is finishing up w his aligners has about 3-4 months to go? Should I pull him out if them and put him in the Reviv?
I don't like to give direct recommendations as im not a dentist.
But i can just say that if it were my child... id take the aligners off as i dont view that they do anything good/useful.
And id just have the child use Reviv and try to do the composite approach i talk about here: https://reviv.substack.com/p/the-approach-to-take-for-kids
Awesome! Thank you so much!
I never like to give direct recommendations as im not a dentist.
However im not a fan of what aligners do.
And in my view retainers mitigate the results of Reviv because teeth need to move with this process https://reviv.substack.com/p/teeth-need-to-be-able-to-move-with
We give 1 month free trial of our community and I think its worth just spending some time in the community before taking the decision
To join just make a request here
https://www.skool.com/reviv-2885/about
The problem with stories like your last one is correlation does not equal causation, especially with a single case. What else happened since 2019? Gee, we had a global pandemic that changed the health of millions of people for the worse, an economic collapse that ruined many business and destroyed people' net worth, a giant experiment in killing social connections, and the most divisive political climate in our lifetimes. Anything could have caused this guy to have these issues. And because soooo many people have dental work, you would need to track an extremely large sample size in order to show causation.
understand.
but i dont think you understand what it means when you track a pattern for nearly a decade.
And you see how these biomechanics work on your own body multiple times.
In any case... it is fine to be skeptical.
I don't expect everyone to just be convinced.
But the ones that were damaged and are looking for answers as to why... will probably listen a bit more intently than the healthy ones.
And i just want to plant a seed.
Time and their own curiosity will, in my experience, often do the rest.
He might have mentioned only one case in this article, but he’s mentioned many other cases including his own in other articles, which are legit worth your time to read!
Thank you, I have read many. Not my point.
Word, have you tried a mouth guard?
Not yet. I'm not sure how it would work because I have a partial denture on 4 of my upper front teeth. I can't really afford to have the surrounding teeth move because I'd have to keep re-making the denture. Plus my lower teeth get crooked without a retainer. And since I had a lot of teeth removed from my mouth and had jaw surgery including some metal plates still being there, I'm not sure even if this theory works if it could do what it's supposed to with me. He wasn't sure either.
yes the denture is gonna be a complication.
re: Plus my lower teeth get crooked without a retainer.
>> my interpretation of that would be that your skull is trying to move the teeth back to get stability and your retainer is preventing it. And essentially inviting further collapse.
The question to ask yourself is.. "Why do the teeth want to move back to being crooked? Is it that the body is stupid? Or is it that the orthodontist is stupid?" I am pretty sure is the latter.
https://reviv.substack.com/p/why-i-think-retainers-are-evil
I get that, but the reason I went through invisilign on the bottom 5 years ago is because my bottom teeth were getting so crowded that some were practically in front of others. And that was after years without wearing any type of retainer So I fear that the metal plates in my bottom jaw might be preventing normal movement. Those plates are the last thing I have that I could remove, but it would be a major surgery by an MD and I was told would cost at least $20k..