After seeing your model skull, I'm interested in getting one for myself to better understand the cranial structure! Are you basically saying that even though orthodontic and dental extraction work messed up my TMJ and occlusion, my cranial bones are just collapsed, but not underdeveloped? Does that mean the space between the sutures can expand and contract?
How would you put the windshield back into its original position? You cannot just start moving individual pieces of glass. It wont work as its all tightly integrated into a system.
Rather best approach would be to kind of inflate the car with air from the inside and have that push the windshield back out.
Thank you Ken! Looking forward to connecting with you over zoom. Question- does one need to use this device forever? Or a period of time? I mean once the tissue is stretch and teeth are aligned, do you just stop using it? We can talk more about this over zoom but wanted to ask incase anyone else has the same question…warmly, Kristen
Ken my lower left molars are collapsed and it’s almost sloping down as it goes back to the 2nd molar, in contrast to the right which slopes up.
Is this a crown/composite job, I’m failing to understand how I can fix this without crowns/composite. Or incredibly concentrated jaw positioning which I don’t believe is healthy.
Yes I can wear a mouthguard but things just collapse when it’s out and not sure how that’s putting any curve back into the actual bite.
Hi ken I read about your blog on forward growth. I had a question like you said that the skull inflates and comes into symmetry but what if the bones were not just deranged but needed to grow more like some bones actually are underdeveloped and not just out of position? So how does the skull inflates without making the underdeveloped bones grow?
in my view u first need to inflate the soft tissue so all bones go to where they should be. Only then do u know how much the bones 'need to grow'.
Till a person has a skeleton/skull with all the bones in the right position.. i view that they have no real idea how much their bones need to 'grow' to achieve their ideal aesthetic.
Thank you. When you researched about the whole biomechanics, when you didn't know about thumbpulling, did you still thought reviv would have inflated the jaws like thumbpulling claims? I know you say it inflates the whole skull but obviously jaws are the part of the skull and lookmaxxers claim expanding jaws, would reviv have still done it without thumbpulling coming into scene?
i've been in this game since 2014.. At that time the word 'thumbpulling' didnt even exist.
If you look at the history of thumbpulling a lot of it stems from a guy, Plato Powers, who had a famous blog on 'facepulling'. He is well known in the looksmaxxing communities.
Me and Plato knew each other quite well in 2014 as we were both in the Starecta fb group and doing Starecta.
Because of Plato I was doing 'thumbpulling' as far back as early 2015 before any of these kids even heard the name.
And yes... i think Reviv inflates the skull/skeleton and thumbpulling helps accelerate the process.
I never 'researched biomechanics'... i literally figured it out thru trial and error on my own body with my old friend, Marcello.
Nobody taught me this shit. I figured it out to get my life back.
Yes thats what I meant. And so reviv inflates the skull, though thumbpulling accelerates the process but it is not essential to inflate the skull or jaws right?
And jaws or skull can be inflated without thumbpulling through reviv additionally including stretches in general or is there anything else to directly help with jaws or skull except for thumbpulling as it irritates my palate too much
After seeing your model skull, I'm interested in getting one for myself to better understand the cranial structure! Are you basically saying that even though orthodontic and dental extraction work messed up my TMJ and occlusion, my cranial bones are just collapsed, but not underdeveloped? Does that mean the space between the sutures can expand and contract?
it might be underdeveloped a bit.. i never really deep dove on that in much details.
So am i saying Reviv will give you a skull like the Rock or Brad Pitt? Probably not.
But you can still, in my view, have a beautiful skull and profile. Almost model-level beautiful if u get to the end.
ANd yes cranial bones are collapsed and deranged.
And yes space between sutures can change. Its not just that it 'expands' in my view. Rather the actual bones were displaced a bit.
One visual way of describing that ive used in the past is the individual pieces of glass on a broken windshield https://www.nuvisionautoglass.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/Windshield-crack-can-be-repairable.jpg
Imagine each piece of glass was a cranial bone.
How would you put the windshield back into its original position? You cannot just start moving individual pieces of glass. It wont work as its all tightly integrated into a system.
Rather best approach would be to kind of inflate the car with air from the inside and have that push the windshield back out.
very well said. The skull must expand, it is quite logical and obvious.
Thank you Ken! Looking forward to connecting with you over zoom. Question- does one need to use this device forever? Or a period of time? I mean once the tissue is stretch and teeth are aligned, do you just stop using it? We can talk more about this over zoom but wanted to ask incase anyone else has the same question…warmly, Kristen
i cover this in this article a bit: https://reviv.substack.com/p/is-this-addressing-root-cause-or
An open posterior bite is created which u need to support with a rubber mouthguard or flat plane splint when u sleep.
Then if u dont want to wear any appliance one day u can ask a dentist to put flat composite on the last lower tooth of either side.
Ahhh ok! Ty so much!
Ken my lower left molars are collapsed and it’s almost sloping down as it goes back to the 2nd molar, in contrast to the right which slopes up.
Is this a crown/composite job, I’m failing to understand how I can fix this without crowns/composite. Or incredibly concentrated jaw positioning which I don’t believe is healthy.
Yes I can wear a mouthguard but things just collapse when it’s out and not sure how that’s putting any curve back into the actual bite.
no need to put composite till the end. The earlier u put it on the more often u will need to 'top it up' and that gets expensive.
Wear the mouthguard at night and as much as u can during the day.
Things dont just 'collapse' so quickly.
Also when i say putting curve back into the bite i dont mean its supported by the teeth yet. An open posterior bite will form.
What is an open posterior bite?
i discuss here https://reviv.substack.com/p/the-mystery-around-posterior-open
Hi ken I read about your blog on forward growth. I had a question like you said that the skull inflates and comes into symmetry but what if the bones were not just deranged but needed to grow more like some bones actually are underdeveloped and not just out of position? So how does the skull inflates without making the underdeveloped bones grow?
in my view u first need to inflate the soft tissue so all bones go to where they should be. Only then do u know how much the bones 'need to grow'.
Till a person has a skeleton/skull with all the bones in the right position.. i view that they have no real idea how much their bones need to 'grow' to achieve their ideal aesthetic.
I get it. What I meant is will the process eith reviv help grow bones as well after positioning it correctly
bone density should be improving the entire time with this process... then after everything is in the right place my view is that it continues
Thank you. When you researched about the whole biomechanics, when you didn't know about thumbpulling, did you still thought reviv would have inflated the jaws like thumbpulling claims? I know you say it inflates the whole skull but obviously jaws are the part of the skull and lookmaxxers claim expanding jaws, would reviv have still done it without thumbpulling coming into scene?
i've been in this game since 2014.. At that time the word 'thumbpulling' didnt even exist.
If you look at the history of thumbpulling a lot of it stems from a guy, Plato Powers, who had a famous blog on 'facepulling'. He is well known in the looksmaxxing communities.
Me and Plato knew each other quite well in 2014 as we were both in the Starecta fb group and doing Starecta.
Because of Plato I was doing 'thumbpulling' as far back as early 2015 before any of these kids even heard the name.
And yes... i think Reviv inflates the skull/skeleton and thumbpulling helps accelerate the process.
I never 'researched biomechanics'... i literally figured it out thru trial and error on my own body with my old friend, Marcello.
Nobody taught me this shit. I figured it out to get my life back.
Yes thats what I meant. And so reviv inflates the skull, though thumbpulling accelerates the process but it is not essential to inflate the skull or jaws right?
And jaws or skull can be inflated without thumbpulling through reviv additionally including stretches in general or is there anything else to directly help with jaws or skull except for thumbpulling as it irritates my palate too much
yoga, my 'fast method', exercise, etc
anything that stretches something tight in the body or skull will accelerate this process in my view