after that u just gotta kinda browse.. im working on an ebook that explains in a straightforward way things end to end.. but will take a few more weeks to get it finished
I want to add height to my occlusion without changing my natural bite. Does the Reviv appliance cover all the teeth including the back molars so that the back teeth won’t over erupt over time and cause an anterior open bite?
oh hey i missed your original comment.. apologies.
Depending on how big your mouth is and whether u have wisdoms, it may not cover some of the back teeth.
But in all the cases i've seen an anterior open bite will never occur. You will have the opposite issue of an open posterior bite which ive talked about many times.
I've read about your experience wearing the Myobrace A1 for years before switching to Reviv. Did you develop a posterior open bite as a result of using the Myobrace A1? On the official Myobrace website, if you just scroll down the page to the 'Case Studies' section from the link I've sent , I noticed that the examples don’t seem to show people developing a posterior open bite. In those case studies, they also used the Farrell Bent Wire System™ (BWS) alongside the Myobrace. I’m not sure if the BWS contributed to preventing a posterior open bite or not, but the photos clearly show the patients' teeth. Based on those images, would you be able to tell if their Curve of Spee improved as well?
This BWS looks almost like a copy of ALF appliance.
I cant tell from the case studies if they improved curve of spee.
I dont think Myobrace understands correctly how this process works otherwise they wouldnt be marketing things the way that they do.
And in my view if a person doesnt create at least a little posterior open bite then they havent actually improved their structure. Its as simple as that.
To improve curve of spee is to create at least a temporary posterior open bite. They are one and the same in my view.
So the difference is between the marketing and literature of one company vs the other? I was hoping for some comparison of the design of the actual appliances.
I found this paragraph particularly confusing:
"I will go far further and faster with these biomechanics than anyone that relies on the Myobrace because of this fast approach. As it is what allows you to consistently break the skin of the scalp and face. Something i do for nearly two years now."
The difference in my view is that i have the correct understanding of how this process works and how deep it goes and they do not.
As evidenced by the fact that Myobrace has appliances to be used with braces (which i consider completely wrong).
With the 'fast approach' i am basically saying i've boiled down exactly why the mouthguard works and therefore can do it even without the mouthguard far faster than the mouthguard alone.
Because the mouthguard has limitations that u need to use stretches for.
For example I havent worn my mouthguard in about 2 months and still progress very quickly
Thank you for the prompt reply. I was searching for a comparison of the actual devices and thought I was reading a neutral 3rd party review. I realize now that you sell the Reviv. Stating that you have knowledge, which I respect, however does not provide a thorough inventory of similarities and differences in design, other than Reviv silicone is more pliant.
It is in part because i view that pretty much any mouthguard works. Yes there will be some nuanced differences.. some will last longer, work a little faster, etc
But reality is they all work.
A $5 mouthguard off of ebay that is not boil & bite works just fine.
I had a guy use one that updated me showing how his arches got a full 1cm expansion with one of those in about 9 months.
So i prefer not feeling like a hippocrate and saying that there are important differences between our Reviv and Myobrace. They both work fine.
And regardless of what mouthguard you use... a mouthguard alone will plateau.
Thanks you. Your blog is very helpful. Sad that I didn't have the opportunity to read such information during my teens when barbaric orthodontist made all this classic therapy with extracting upper premolars due to lack of space for teeth.
Thanks Ken for the Reviv 1 it’s brilliant and I agree 💯
Hello, so where do I go to read you material and start understanding your theory and practice from the entry level?
these are what i consider 3 of the core articles:
https://reviv.substack.com/p/so-why-do-the-teeth-relate-to-your
https://reviv.substack.com/p/how-to-solve-the-problem
https://reviv.substack.com/p/i-am-going-to-challenge-what-you
after that u just gotta kinda browse.. im working on an ebook that explains in a straightforward way things end to end.. but will take a few more weeks to get it finished
Omg f yeah!!! Can't wait for it! 🙌
Hi Ken,
I want to add height to my occlusion without changing my natural bite. Does the Reviv appliance cover all the teeth including the back molars so that the back teeth won’t over erupt over time and cause an anterior open bite?
Hi Ken, I want to buy the Reviv one, please provide me with a reply!!
oh hey i missed your original comment.. apologies.
Depending on how big your mouth is and whether u have wisdoms, it may not cover some of the back teeth.
But in all the cases i've seen an anterior open bite will never occur. You will have the opposite issue of an open posterior bite which ive talked about many times.
Ok. Thanks
so i could use a myobrace a1 and it would still produce the same results as reviv ?like the inflating of the skull and other things you've mentioned ?
is this product fine? will it perform the same function?
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007195581320.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.similar_items.19.59fc6027WhQHiy&utparam-url=scene%3Aimage_search%7Cquery_from%3Adetail_bigimg&algo_pvid=0b52aae5-eb5e-4275-b2e2-b5697cbdd975&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%2211%22%7D
this is not a myobrace a1... this is a pretty cheaply made appliance.
But it will work as well.
I bought these for my son years back.. they generally deform pretty quick so buy a bunch of them.
I've read about your experience wearing the Myobrace A1 for years before switching to Reviv. Did you develop a posterior open bite as a result of using the Myobrace A1? On the official Myobrace website, if you just scroll down the page to the 'Case Studies' section from the link I've sent , I noticed that the examples don’t seem to show people developing a posterior open bite. In those case studies, they also used the Farrell Bent Wire System™ (BWS) alongside the Myobrace. I’m not sure if the BWS contributed to preventing a posterior open bite or not, but the photos clearly show the patients' teeth. Based on those images, would you be able to tell if their Curve of Spee improved as well?
https://myoresearch.com/it/appliances/myobrace/for-adults/a1
https://myoresearch.com/it/appliances/arch-development/bws
This BWS looks almost like a copy of ALF appliance.
I cant tell from the case studies if they improved curve of spee.
I dont think Myobrace understands correctly how this process works otherwise they wouldnt be marketing things the way that they do.
And in my view if a person doesnt create at least a little posterior open bite then they havent actually improved their structure. Its as simple as that.
To improve curve of spee is to create at least a temporary posterior open bite. They are one and the same in my view.
Does night guard works?
depends which one
Dental, the transparent, only for upper teeth
https://images.app.goo.gl/xrgNEiyFCRfzMU9P9
it needs to be flat. Nothing like retainers that are fitted to the teeth. Teeth need to be able to move with this process.
I got the reviv 3 and it feels like it’s pushing my canines in (top and bottom)… is that a push-in to widen effect or do i need to size up?
So the difference is between the marketing and literature of one company vs the other? I was hoping for some comparison of the design of the actual appliances.
I found this paragraph particularly confusing:
"I will go far further and faster with these biomechanics than anyone that relies on the Myobrace because of this fast approach. As it is what allows you to consistently break the skin of the scalp and face. Something i do for nearly two years now."
The difference in my view is that i have the correct understanding of how this process works and how deep it goes and they do not.
As evidenced by the fact that Myobrace has appliances to be used with braces (which i consider completely wrong).
With the 'fast approach' i am basically saying i've boiled down exactly why the mouthguard works and therefore can do it even without the mouthguard far faster than the mouthguard alone.
Because the mouthguard has limitations that u need to use stretches for.
For example I havent worn my mouthguard in about 2 months and still progress very quickly
Thank you for the prompt reply. I was searching for a comparison of the actual devices and thought I was reading a neutral 3rd party review. I realize now that you sell the Reviv. Stating that you have knowledge, which I respect, however does not provide a thorough inventory of similarities and differences in design, other than Reviv silicone is more pliant.
Thanks for your time!
It is in part because i view that pretty much any mouthguard works. Yes there will be some nuanced differences.. some will last longer, work a little faster, etc
But reality is they all work.
A $5 mouthguard off of ebay that is not boil & bite works just fine.
I had a guy use one that updated me showing how his arches got a full 1cm expansion with one of those in about 9 months.
So i prefer not feeling like a hippocrate and saying that there are important differences between our Reviv and Myobrace. They both work fine.
And regardless of what mouthguard you use... a mouthguard alone will plateau.
And then you will need a more active stretch process to continue progressing as i wrote here: https://reviv.substack.com/p/eventually-progress-plateaus-and
Is reviv made of hard or soft plastic in comparison with myobrace? What is better to use flexible or hard product?
Myobrace has many different appliances that differ in how hard they are. But in general i think they use silicone.
Reviv is made of 100% liquid silicone and is a bit softer than the Myobrace a1, which is the appliance i used for years.
Thanks you. Your blog is very helpful. Sad that I didn't have the opportunity to read such information during my teens when barbaric orthodontist made all this classic therapy with extracting upper premolars due to lack of space for teeth.
yes... we need to stop this barbarism that is orthodontics.
It's ruining lives
I ordered your product, did not receive an email stating the order had gone through. Do you send confirmations?
yes we send order confirmations.. can u tell me your order #? and ill check and respond by email
Never mind, I apologize, the confirmation went to an email address I hadn’t checked. Used Apple Pay so it was automatic.